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Stuporman
24-08-2004, 08:06 AM
Rüber, L., R. Britz, S. O. Kullander & R. Zardoya, 2004. Evolutionary and biogeographic patterns of the Badidae (Teleostei: Perciformes) inferred from mitochondrial and nuclear DNA sequence data. Molecular Phylogenetics and Evolution 32: 1010-1022.

Abstract

We reconstructed phylogenetic relationships of the family Badidae using both mitochondrial and nuclear nucleotide sequence data to address badid systematics and to evaluate the role of vicariant speciation on their evolution and current distribution. Phylogenetic hypotheses were derived from complete cytochrome b (1140 base pairs) sequences of 33 individuals representing 13 badid species, and using three species of Nandidae as outgroups. Additionally, we sequenced the nuclear RAG1 (1473 base pairs) and Tmo-4C4 (511 base pairs) genes from each of the badid species and one representative of the outgroup. Our molecular data provide the first phylogenetic hypothesis of badid intrarelationships. Analysis of the mitochondrial and nuclear nucleotide sequence data sets resulted in well-supported trees, indicating a basal split between the genera Dario and Badis, and further supporting the division of the genus Badis into five species groups as suggested by a previous taxonomic revision of the Badidae. Within the genus Badis, mitochondrial and nuclear phylogenies differed in the relative position of B. kyar. We also used our molecular phylogeny to test a vicariant speciation hypothesis derived from geological evidence of large-scale changes in drainage patterns in the Miocene affecting the Irrawaddy– and Tsangpo–Brahmaputra drainages, in the southeastern Himalaya. Within both genera, Badis and Dario, we observed a divergence into Irrawaddy– and Tsangpo–Brahmaputra clades. Using a cytb substitution rate of 8.2×10-9 (substitutions×base pair-1×year-1), we tentatively date this vicariant event at the Oligocene–Miocene boundary (19–24 Myr). It is concordant with a hypothesized paleo connection of the Tsangpo river with the Irrawaddy drainage that was most likely interrupted during Miocene orogenic events through tectonic uplifts in eastern Tibet. Our data, therefore, indicate a substantial role of vicariant-based speciation shaping the current distribution patterns of badids.

Pdf available (from me).

Stuporman
24-08-2004, 10:09 AM
For that, you need:
Kullander, S. O. & R. Britz, 2002. Revision of the family Badidae (Teleostei: Perciformes), with description of a new genus and ten new species. Ichthyological Exploration of Freshwaters 13: 295-372.

Stuporman
24-08-2004, 10:26 AM
First one yes, second one maybe. I don't have time to scan and make a pdf for the second paper.

stormhawk
24-08-2004, 10:26 AM
Oh yes gimme both too. :biggrin:

hwchoy
24-08-2004, 10:27 AM
First one yes, second one maybe. I don't have time to scan and make a pdf for the second paper.

well next time you're back can bring copies of things you wanted scanned and hand to my gers. :yupyup:

Stuporman
24-08-2004, 10:31 AM
I wish. The journals belong to the Fish Division library. Unless you are advocating that I "borrow" them (which can be easily done).

stormhawk
24-08-2004, 10:34 AM
:scheming:.. HH, does the Fish Division Library have anything on Costa's work with South American killies? :yumyum: :help:

Choy, I have some killie-related pdfs I took from the DKG website. Descriptions of some pretty endangered killies.

hwchoy
24-08-2004, 10:35 AM
a fishy guy's got to do what a fishy guy's got to do :evilhaha:

hwchoy
24-08-2004, 10:35 AM
:scheming:.. HH, does the Fish Division Library have anything on Costa's work with South American killies? :yumyum: :help:

Choy, I have some killie-related pdfs I took from the DKG website. Descriptions of some pretty endangered killies.

mail over I make a private consolidated library. :)

Stuporman
24-08-2004, 10:40 AM
HH, does the Fish Division Library have anything on Costa's work with South American killies?

What kind? Papers? Books (don't know if he wrote any)? Phylogenies? Species descriptions?

Stuporman
24-08-2004, 10:43 AM
a fishy guy's got to do what a fishy guy's got to do :evilhaha:

Anyway, my US visa expires next week and I don't plan on returning until I graduate.

stormhawk
24-08-2004, 10:44 AM
All sent. When I see anymore I'll send but pretty dry of information on killies right now. :(

stormhawk
24-08-2004, 10:46 AM
HH, well anything will do. Especially if its anything on how he reasons on splitting a genus apart. Species descriptions would be great.. especially on the ones the described recently from 2000 onwards.. :scheming:

hwchoy
24-08-2004, 10:51 AM
Anyway, my US visa expires next week and I don't plan on returning until I graduate.

meaning you illegally overstay, ah?

Stuporman
24-08-2004, 03:18 PM
You think so easy to do ah? No, I don't need my visa to legally stay in the US (I've got other documents for that). The visa is just for me to enter the US. If I leave after it expires, I need to go down to the US embassy in Tanglin to make a new one.
I heard nowadays very troublesome (and sometimes difficult to make visa...must interview some more). So I don't want to go through all that trouble.

Simplex
26-08-2004, 01:21 AM
Please mail me the pdf at thaikilli@yahoo.com
Thank you in advance.

hwchoy
26-08-2004, 01:27 AM
You think so easy to do ah? No, I don't need my visa to legally stay in the US (I've got other documents for that). The visa is just for me to enter the US. If I leave after it expires, I need to go down to the US embassy in Tanglin to make a new one.
I heard nowadays very troublesome (and sometimes difficult to make visa...must interview some more). So I don't want to go through all that trouble.

did they snap your pic and scan your fingerprints when you went back this trip?

I already kena that in May when I went to Atlanta. But overall not too bad lah, they did not request to scan the inner wall of my rectum. :yumyum:

Stuporman
26-08-2004, 01:31 AM
They did that twice already. Once in January (when it was just implemented and Singapore citizens were apparently exempt, but I was in no mood to argue with USCIS people after 20 hours in the air) and once in May.

Simplex
26-08-2004, 01:34 AM
Dario and Badis do have some differences in apperance but the most importance thing that we -aquarist- found out long before they split them out was that the Badis are cave spawner and the Dario are eggs scattered. I don't recall Mr. Kullander mentioned this in his paper, though. He mostly work with dead fish, I guess.

Stuporman
26-08-2004, 01:43 AM
Yes, the revision mentions differences in reproductive strategies between the two (Badis with brood care and Dario without).
Both Ralf and Sven communicate extensively with aquarists and Ralf is quite a good aquarist himself.