Which Eheim external filter for 2ft tank

[AlexTan]

My tank is 2ft long but the width is only 8.5 inches
water level up to 10 inches.

after i check out the litres at :
http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/volume_calculator.php

It is calculated as : 33 L or 7gal of water.

looking at :
http://www.aquatics-online.co.uk/bigpics/eheiminfo.htm

The smallest filter is the Eheim 2222 is for 150 litres.. :woot:
Question:
Does that mean that if i get the external filter, it is overkill for me?

[damnit]

2213 should suffice :)

[stormhawk]

Yeah I agree with damnit, get the 2213. Should be sufficient. I'm running a 2222 on my 2ft tank. Not exactly overkill but the increased currents don't seem to be to my fish's liking.

[chiakchua]

Not exactly overkill but the increased currents don't seem to be to my fish's liking.

Put your return [or your rain bar if there is one] over a 2 ft OHF filled with bioballs - will slow down current further.

[stormhawk]

chua, thanks for the suggestion. I used java ferns placed directly in front of the output rain bar to diffuse the current. Plants growing real well with all that current and my 6-banded barbs and corys are out and about.

[chiakchua]

Oh yeah java ferns thrive with current!

BTW for 2ft cannister - ditto 2213 enough

[AlexTan]

looking at the spec of 2213 vs 2222
2213 : 2222
250L 150L
440L/h 500L/h

looks very close, wonder the price diff.. will check out.
Think the 2213 doesn't come with tap but the 2222 comes with it as part of the design.

[AlexTan]

Anyone here using Eheim 2222 or 2224 with 3 ft tank..?

[Callichthyidae]

Eheim Ecco 2236!

Miracle fries, remember? :p

[AlexTan]

Anyone here using Eheim 2222 or 2224 with 3 ft tank..?
mistake.. wanted to ask anyone who 2222 or 2224 with 2ft tank.. not 3ft

[stormhawk]

Alex, like I mentioned earlier I'm using a 2222 on my 2ft tank. With a 3ft a 2222 is really insufficient.

[art]

I think the question that needs to be asked first is, what fish are in the tank + stocking levels ?

[AlexTan]

Alex, like I mentioned earlier I'm using a 2222 on my 2ft tank. With a 3ft a 2222 is really insufficient.
good.. cos i intend to get a Eheim 2222 for my 2ft tank.. but is afraid that its too powerful for a 2ft tank.
I am keeping tropical fish mainly guppies,3 High Fin Platies and 3 holland rams and a panda cory.

[cloud79]

With such bioload, y dun u get the liberty filter? :)

[AlexTan]

With such bioload, y dun u get the liberty filter? :)
would you mind give me some info about the liberty filter you mentioned? :dunnoe:

[cloud79]

Maybe you can go to www.eheim.com or www.eheim.de to check out the liberty series. It is a hang-on filter and it is much easier to maintain compared to the 2222 that you have mentioned and also, cater to your existing bioload! :)

[AlexTan]

i have checked out.. they are those hang-over-the-edge filters. Can consider that also. The problem i have right now is that my internal filter is not effective, the water gets cloudy and i have to change water around twice a week..
thats why i am looking for a external filter..
these Liberty filters need to buy special Carbanized foam and Bio-foam catridges, wonder how often got to change these catridges..

[AlexTan]

i thought of getting a external filter thinking that i may reduce the number of times i have to change water to once a week or bi-weekly.

[cloud79]

i have checked out.. they are those hang-over-the-edge filters. Can consider that also. The problem i have right now is that my internal filter is not effective, the water gets cloudy and i have to change water around twice a week..
thats why i am looking for a external filter..
these Liberty filters need to buy special Carbanized foam and Bio-foam catridges, wonder how often got to change these catridges..

may i know what internal filter r u using?

You can always do some changes to what u wish to put in the filter. Open yourself to more option to what is suitable for your tank!

[cloud79]

i thought of getting a external filter thinking that i may reduce the number of times i have to change water to once a week or bi-weekly.

With your current bioload, you can still do water changes weekly with the liberty filter. Btw how often do you change water now? :)

[AlexTan]

i'm using a Atman AT-F101.
Change water twice a week. Sometimes once a week but the water will be very dirty if i change once a week.
Feed the fish only twice a day.

[stormhawk]

Alex, your guppies and other livebearers may not like the current of the output from a 2222. Fast moving species like barbs will appreciate such currents.

With regards to Liberty filters, you really don't need all those carbon refill or biofoam cartridges. Simple aquarium filter sponge or fine filter pads will do the job. Placing activated carbon pellets in a small filter mesh bag will also work just as well as any of the refills. The output from a Liberty filter, perhaps Liberty 150 or bigger would be good enough for your needs.

Internal power-head driven filters are usually insufficient to maintain tanks over a long period of time without water changes. A UGF will also be a good choice of filtration method but in the end the choices are yours.

[Philtre]

I've used a 2222 for a non-standard two ft tank(smaller than the usual 2ft tank). I diffused the output through a rain bar running along the length of the tank. Didn't have any problem with that, and I loved it's efficiency + quietness.

[AlexTan]

Anyone knows the estimated retail price of the Liberty 150 and 200 (with the media ofcause)??

[AlexTan]

I've used a 2222 for a non-standard two ft tank(smaller than the usual 2ft tank). I diffused the output through a rain bar running along the length of the tank. Didn't have any problem with that, and I loved it's efficiency + quietness.

I have also connected my present internal filter's output to a rain bar, i like it too. Place it slightly above the water surface and can hear the sound of water when the water flow out of the rain bar, nice :woot:

Now my choice would either be Liberty 150/200 or Eheim 2222.
Just not sure how strong the current may be...

[Philtre]

if you're worried about the output of the 2222, another thing that you could look at: in addition to the rain bar, leave it above water, turn it around so that that jets of water will face the back of your tank. i.e. water from rain bar will hit the back wall of your tank before cascading down into the tank.
:p

[rayong]

I use the Atman HF-0600 Hang on filter. It has a built in surface skimmer that does work well. Canister a bit of overkill for your little tank. Mine is on a 70L tank with about double to tripple your bioload and the water is crystal clear. I change the water once every 3 or 4 weeks with no problem with disease or fatalities. In fact can't remember when I last lost a fish.

[Cardinals_Pride]

:ot: -rayong, doesnt this surface skimmer works only on marine? Teach me.

[rayong]

You can also use surface skimmer for freshwater planted to remove that surface film that forms.

[AlexTan]

Bought Eheim 2222 on sunday afternoon.
The box came with media (EHFI Mech and EHFI Substrat) white wool and blue coarse filter, hose and rain bar, all eheim's original and ready to go.
Connected and set up easily and now i have it running with my current filter.
Intend to remove the old internal filter the next day.

[AkionLCG]

Bought Eheim 2222 on sunday afternoon.
The box came with media (EHFI Mech and EHFI Substrat) white wool and blue coarse filter, hose and rain bar, all eheim's original and ready to go.
Connected and set up easily and now i have it running with my current filter.
Intend to remove the old internal filter the next day.

Bro, how much and which LFS u bought it from.. thinking of getting a good filter for my 2ft tank too. Thanks. :wink:

[AlexTan]

Bought the Eheim 2222 at Henderson Rd, the shop call, Soon Heng Aquarium.
Price paid: $150 include GST.
Its selling cheaper than at C328..which quoted me $158 for it.

[AlexTan]

now that i got my filter. Another question:
When do I wash the Eheim 2222, after a month or 2...?

[art]

I personally undertake regular maintenance of my canisters every 2-3 months ( typically just to make sure the white foam isn't too clogged up with dirt.

But it usually isn't that bad, and due to my really really low stocking levels, I can get away with 5-6 months maintenance schedules too.

[AlexTan]

good
Question:
so what about changing some water in the tank.. i think i still need to change some water every week.. just to maintain HP, etc.. right?

From my previous post, my Eheim 2222 comes ready with media, and they seat just nicely in the tray, no more space for more media.
Question:
any need and possible to stack more filter to the 2222?

E2222 has only 2 trays

[art]

The default media provided is actually quite sufficient.

Yes, weekly water changes should still be performed to maintain the health of your fish inhabitants.

[Cardinals_Pride]

Good buy i should say.

For maintenance- Depend on the bioload. Run a few test to see how long ur filter need to be cleaned.

Water Change- still is a must.

[AlexTan]

For all who are interested in the Eheim 2222 and 2224.
Price as on 10 October 2004 at Soon Heng Aquarium (Henderson Rd) are:
Eheim 2222 with media in box : S$150
Eheim 2224 with media in box : S$170

I think is a good buy too. :woot:

[curahee]

What abt jebo n jebao canister as its a cheaper alternative?? Any jebo and jebao canister suitable for 2 ft tank??

[AkionLCG]

For all who are interested in the Eheim 2222 and 2224.
Price as on 10 October 2004 at Soon Heng Aquarium (Henderson Rd) are:
Eheim 2222 with media in box : S$150
Eheim 2224 with media in box : S$170

I think is a good buy too. :woot:

Thanks for the pricing.. :worship: the price is ex for me.. i looking for cheaper alternative canister filter that will preferably cost less than 100bucks for my new shrimp tank. Any recommendation like atman, matrix...

[stormhawk]

Akion, you want it cheap go DIY one like what damnit did in another thread.

[damnit]

Akion, ya loh ya loh ... mins is only < $10 :p :jiggly: :jiggly:

[AkionLCG]

Akion, ya loh ya loh ... mins is only < $10 :p :jiggly: :jiggly:

Very troublesome la.. have to source the parts n assembly.. Actually i want to setup the tank ASAP cos some nice shrimp are coming.

Refer to this..
http://www.arofanatics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=149865

Or Bro damnit can make one for me please please... :begging: :begging:

[stormhawk]

Now now don't be lazy, go make one yourself. Takes less than half an hour to make if you're quick with the drill and the necessary tools. In fact a drill is not totally required if you're just as skilled with a hot iron (forgot the term for it). Takes only 5 minutes at the most to make the necessary holes for the inlet and outlet parts plus wire access. Even wiring will only take about 1 to 3 mins at the most if you know the basics.

The ONLY time-consuming part of the project is just the wait for the silicon to cure - 24hours to be fully certain for a full cure. So don't be lazy, go get the items and make one yourself. :p

[AkionLCG]

:stupid: I afraid the diy filter is not properly done by me and may leaks or unable to perform the filtering properly.. I thinking of getting trying from cherry shrimp, then diamond then ultimately CRS. Need to get a more reliable but cheap filter.

[stormhawk]

Go for the Liberty range of H.O.T. filters. Should suffice for your needs if all you're keeping are shrimps and mosses in that tank you're setting up. No DIY involved so that takes out one headache for you.

[AkionLCG]

I have consider that before but still prefer canister filter, look more pro.. haha..

[stormhawk]

In that case go get yourself an Eheim 2213. Cheapest model of Eheim canister I think.. minus the filter basket if I recall correctly. Plus filter basket the cost will rise accordingly.

[AkionLCG]

In that case go get yourself an Eheim 2213. Cheapest model of Eheim canister I think.. minus the filter basket if I recall correctly. Plus filter basket the cost will rise accordingly.

Bro, don't like that leh.. keep introducing me expensive but good filter.. me still studying la.. But anyway really must thank you. :worship:

[stormhawk]

I was in the Army when I bought my 2222. Didn't complain either so I don't see why you can't scrimp and save. :p Army pay isn't very big as you know. Students happen to get larger allowances going by the affluence of some parents. :p

As the saying goes - quality comes with a price. :)

By the way, I think the 2213 costs less than a 100 bucks if I recall. That's cheap going by the cost of a regular Pro or Pro II Eheim canister.

[AkionLCG]

I was in the Army when I bought my 2222. Didn't complain either so I don't see why you can't scrimp and save. :p Army pay isn't very big as you know. Students happen to get larger allowances going by the affluence of some parents. :p

As the saying goes - quality comes with a price. :)

By the way, I think the 2213 costs less than a 100 bucks if I recall. That's cheap going by the cost of a regular Pro or Pro II Eheim canister.

Not all students get funds from parent especially they r married.. :scratch: haha..

[stormhawk]

Oh yes marriage = purse strings handled by the "finance minister" in the house = control in spending = miserable when one cannot get what he/she wants. :p

A gripe of many of my friends but still a good way to control one's expenditure. :)

[AkionLCG]

Yeah lo... controlling the finance is ok but the nagging is :swear: .. haha.. then when the in law come over and praise your tank.. then she said she has shares in it... lol however, think about it, where to find such CFO who can sponsor me.. i'm bless :woot:

[curahee]

I was in the Army when I bought my 2222. Didn't complain either so I don't see why you can't scrimp and save. :p Army pay isn't very big as you know. Students happen to get larger allowances going by the affluence of some parents. :p


If ya an officer den it will be totally different... :scratch:
Anyway how much is a 2213??

[tanc39]

Just bought a eheim pro II 2026... It's simply awesome. Thought the flow was a little strong but it's absolutely slient. Bought at about $236 at C328 but asked petmart only after buying and they are only selling at $220 :swear: :(. Anyway eheim is really really good :worship: I must say.

[stormhawk]

not sure about the price now though, could be around $100 or lesser. enquire at places like Soon Heng or c328.

curahee, well i wasn't an officer. :p

[AlexTan]

If ya an officer den it will be totally different... :scratch:
Anyway how much is a 2213??

When i was selecting which eheim filter to buy, did consider 2213 around S$80. 2213 doesn't come with tap and media. Tap is around $18 for one, two will be S$36.

S$(80+36+media)= at least S$140. Not cheap also.
must as well go for Eheim 2222 like i did.

If you wanna a cheaper external filter, you may wanna consider China made ones or Atman which are below $100 include media.

[damnit]

In that case go get yourself an Eheim 2213. Cheapest model of Eheim canister I think.. minus the filter basket if I recall correctly. Plus filter basket the cost will rise accordingly.

the newer 2213 comes with a basket included :)

[AkionLCG]

Hi, went to petmart at serangoon north.. they r selling 2222 at $150 and 2213 at $80 too. They recommended me Ecco 2243 or something... Anyone used Ecco series before cos it has self priming mechanism unlike 2222 and 2213 which needs sucking.. I'm changing my mind to get a eheim now cos if i get a china brand and buy the ehiem substrant.. it comes out to about the same price.. :hehe:

[Philtre]

if I'm not wrong, 2222 comes with media.
If it's about the same price, china brand + eheim media VS. eheim cannister + eheim filter ...erm ..... I would go for the eheim. But that's just me. :p
Let us know how it goes! :)

[tanc39]

I'm not too sure but I seems to heard from somewhere that the plastic handle of the ecco series is kinda fragile. Why don't get Pro Series...erm... sorry forgot about your budget...

[AkionLCG]

I'm not too sure but I seems to heard from somewhere that the plastic handle of the ecco series is kinda fragile. Why don't get Pro Series...erm... sorry forgot about your budget...

Info noted. I can get a eheim 2222 or the ecco one cos my CFO finally increase my budget :woot:
Thinking of getting the ecco since it looks nice and has self priming.. since no much comment on the ecco, let me be the first tester, get the ecco and post the review shortly. Haha, going to get my eheim filter liao.... :banana: :wiggle: :woot:

[fishyman]

hahah!!

so many hobbyist under the control of CFOs/MHA/OCs/COs..

[AkionLCG]

hahah!!

so many hobbyist under the control of CFOs/MHA/OCs/COs..

Not for long... :wink:
:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:
new eheim, new eheim, new eheim... haha

[cloud79]

I'm not too sure but I seems to heard from somewhere that the plastic handle of the ecco series is kinda fragile. Why don't get Pro Series...erm... sorry forgot about your budget...

That was the previous version of the Ecco series. The new one is a more improvished version and o heard that the plastic handle stuff was been remedied! :)

[AkionLCG]

Got the ecco 2234 last weekend, priming is quite easy, just pull up and down the handle. The handle is also quite tough (well reinforced like what cloud79 said it is the upgraded version). Eheim substrant pro is provided. 3 tiers.

According to the instruction, the very bottom tier is to put a mechanical filtering wool and substrant pro ontop. The top 2 tier to be full with the substrant pro. The mechanical filter is just the wool so I add my own ceramic rings at the bottom and the wool on the top of the rings.

There is one thing that is bothering me is that there is grease at the sides of pump's hinges or whatever it should be called. The grease can be easily get into the filter and into the water during the priming action. I call back petmart and the staff told me that the grease is "eheim grease" and it poses no harm to the plants or fishes. Anyone encounter the "eheim grease" for other filter?

Too soon for much comment now.

Cheers. :woot:

[DOS]

Liberty enough laio! If got spare cash, get a Ecco 2232

[AkionLCG]

Liberty enough laio! If got spare cash, get a Ecco 2232

If i not forgetful, 2232 is 120-130bucks, add another 20-30 bucks for bigger filtering volume capacity is worthwhile.. Anyway, my CFO approved my funding, better get a good one first before she roti prata... :wink:

[kross]

.....
There is one thing that is bothering me is that there is grease at the sides of pump's hinges or whatever it should be called. The grease can be easily get into the filter and into the water during the priming action. I call back petmart and the staff told me that the grease is "eheim grease" and it poses no harm to the plants or fishes. Anyone encounter the "eheim grease" for other filter?



i got the grease problem too on my 2235. but it's alright. Fishes still alive after a month.... :hehe:

[cloud79]

If i not forgetful, 2232 is 120-130bucks, add another 20-30 bucks for bigger filtering volume capacity is worthwhile.. Anyway, my CFO approved my funding, better get a good one first before she roti prata... :wink:

Haha go for it and then let us know how it is! I dun have any of the ecco series so i cant give much comments, hopefully let the user comments and then we judge! :)

[cloud79]

i got the grease problem too on my 2235. but it's alright. Fishes still alive after a month.... :hehe:

I think that is vaseline to ensure the durability of the O-ring, dun worry no harm to fishes! :)

[xcqckng]

hi, how much it cost for eheim ecco 2234 & 2235?which lfs?

thanks
ck

[DOS]

I think that is vaseline to ensure the durability of the O-ring, dun worry no harm to fishes! :)

Bro Art is right, the grease will not harm the fishes.

On your next maintenance cycle, it will be good to grease up all your O rings.

Do not use Vaseline or Durex Gel, their properties are different!

With proper maintenance, your Filter will last a long time. :woot:

[fishyman]

Do not use Vaseline or Durex Gel, their properties are different!
:scratch:
:worship:

[AkionLCG]

Do not use Vaseline or Durex Gel, their properties are different!
:censored: :censored: :censored: :censored:
Haha... Bro u nearly made me laugh out of my chair... :ckpeng:

Serious, what is the gel's name?

[AkionLCG]

hi, how much it cost for eheim ecco 2234 & 2235?which lfs?

thanks
ck

Ecco 2234 - 150bucks at petmart, serangoon north.

[moss_mossy]

Yo bro...
can the output flowrate of 2234 be controlled... issit an overkill for a 2ft tank?

[budak]

i use a 2224 for my 2 ft tank.... just nice.... use a rainbar if you want to dilute the outflow current..... good water circulation is very important for plant growth, in my experience.

[moss_mossy]

i was thinking of getting the 2234 cos of its self-priming and its 3-tier filtering system... however, i am wondering if the ouput flow rate can be controlled like the 2213 double taps??

[AkionLCG]

i was thinking of getting the 2234 cos of its self-priming and its 3-tier filtering system... however, i am wondering if the ouput flow rate can be controlled like the 2213 double taps??

Yes. There is valve at both the respective inlet n outlet side to control the flowrate.

[tanc39]

Wondering why no one is considering a eheim pro II 2026 or 2028? I got mine about a month ago and it's really good with double tap and flowrate control.

[jhansolo]

I wonder if anyone considered the wattage to power this thing I think 8W is the lowest that I know.

[eeeeemo]

hi this is an old thread.. juz want to ask sumting related...

can the flow rate of 2211 be controlled?
i recently bot a 1ft tank (18L) and i wan to use my eheim 2211 for it..
havent tried yet but i am afraid it might b overkill.....

[cloud79]

If you gt yourself the valve, you can actually control its flowrate.

[eeeeemo]

wad is the valve? can easily get it from LFS dat sell eheim spare parts rite..

[cloud79]

Manage to find a picture of a valve, you can easily get this from petmart or c328 but make sure you get the right size. I believe your inlet and outlet are of different sizes.

[eeeeemo]

..... this thing looks expensive manx...

[dimmylordz]

i need some help...
what model shud i get for 3ft tank?

[cloud79]

..... this thing looks expensive manx...

Sometimes, good things come with a price. In any case, try to go around and see if there is a cheaper option.

[cloud79]

i need some help...
what model shud i get for 3ft tank?

You can go for the classic 2215 or the pro 2 2026. What type of setup you have?

[dimmylordz]

I think i have a cory tank with mainly moss covered wood. Some shrimps too.

[cloud79]

Probably you can consider 2026, put a foam at the inlet to prevent small shrimps from sucking into the filter. You can also control the flow rate by adjusting the valve.

[eeeeemo]

my eheim 2211 connected to shortened rainbar den to c02 reactor..
current is very weak ... but shud be alrite whn the plants start to provide oxygen too!
rite..?

[cloud79]

If your tank becomes mature, there should be sufficient oxygen to go around, make sure you keep your bioload low.